Comments on: The day the H-Bombs came to Andalucía – part one http://www.theolivepress.es/2007/01/25/the-day-the-h-bombs-came-to-andalucia-part-one/ Andalucia's Fortnightly News Publication Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:18:16 +0200 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Peter Fossen http://www.theolivepress.es/2007/01/25/the-day-the-h-bombs-came-to-andalucia-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-58559 Peter Fossen Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:16:23 +0000 #comment-58559 @Nigel Hammond: I have very recently (this week) bought property in Palomares Bajo, and yes, nothing whatsoever has been mentioned about this incident by anyone, I found out/heard the very next day by locals. Nobody really seems to worry too much, but that seems more given in by the Spanish nature than by any scientific or official communication. I know of no maps or plans but we know where the cemetary is and where the Cabezo Negro Hills are. I am not worrying but am interested in knowing more details, contact me if you can/want. @ROC: Obviously you know little of history. If it hadnt been for the fisherman the US might have never recovered the bomb, or worse, the Russians could have. On the other hand, the Franco government did not have much of a problem sacrificing part of the population for the better of the so called upper class..who would be the greedy bastards?Not the fisherman. Saludos @Nigel Hammond:

I have very recently (this week) bought property in Palomares Bajo, and yes, nothing whatsoever has been mentioned about this incident by anyone, I found out/heard the very next day by locals. Nobody really seems to worry too much, but that seems more given in by the Spanish nature than by any scientific or official communication.
I know of no maps or plans but we know where the cemetary is and where the Cabezo Negro Hills are.
I am not worrying but am interested in knowing more details, contact me if you can/want.

@ROC: Obviously you know little of history. If it hadnt been for the fisherman the US might have never recovered the bomb, or worse, the Russians could have. On the other hand, the Franco government did not have much of a problem sacrificing part of the population for the better of the so called upper class..who would be the greedy bastards?Not the fisherman.

Saludos

]]> By: Steven http://www.theolivepress.es/2007/01/25/the-day-the-h-bombs-came-to-andalucia-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-55743 Steven Sat, 23 Jan 2010 02:01:39 +0000 #comment-55743 RoC: If Simó Orts managed to claim salvage rights successfully, then he was no idiot, was he? I don't know about greedy, but Spain was dirt poor at the time, the US living in a completely different financial universe, they come to his country setting up military bases and spreading radioactive s**t around his village, he did actually helped them find it... What I say is, I hope the payout was cool. PS. YOU, on the other hand, are so intelligent and wish for a hydrogen bomb to explode by accident in a populated area? RoC: If Simó Orts managed to claim salvage rights successfully, then he was no idiot, was he? I don’t know about greedy, but Spain was dirt poor at the time, the US living in a completely different financial universe, they come to his country setting up military bases and spreading radioactive s**t around his village, he did actually helped them find it… What I say is, I hope the payout was cool. PS. YOU, on the other hand, are so intelligent and wish for a hydrogen bomb to explode by accident in a populated area?

]]> By: nigel hammond http://www.theolivepress.es/2007/01/25/the-day-the-h-bombs-came-to-andalucia-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-55184 nigel hammond Sat, 02 Jan 2010 19:13:35 +0000 #comment-55184 Does anyone know where I can see maps/ plans of the incident Property has been built and occupied on a large scale in Palomares and the owners are not told about the incident but find out later. Is this you ?? Happy new year 2010 Does anyone know where I can see maps/ plans of the incident

Property has been built and occupied on a large scale in Palomares and the owners are not told about the incident but find out later.

Is this you ??

Happy new year 2010

]]> By: Will http://www.theolivepress.es/2007/01/25/the-day-the-h-bombs-came-to-andalucia-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-54427 Will Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:09:37 +0000 #comment-54427 Very interesting story. I believe that this accident led to the "re-examination" of the Chrome Dome operations - operations guaranteeing the presence of B-52 bombers flying around the Arctic Circle incase of a Soviet "first strike". About the comment above: With all of the hype about this accident and the danger that it caused people in the area, plus the time and effort it took a probably, modest fisherman to locate the bomb, I think that some compensation is due. I'll agree that 20 million too much, but I see where you could argue for a settlement. Very interesting story. I believe that this accident led to the “re-examination” of the Chrome Dome operations – operations guaranteeing the presence of B-52 bombers flying around the Arctic Circle incase of a Soviet “first strike”.

About the comment above: With all of the hype about this accident and the danger that it caused people in the area, plus the time and effort it took a probably, modest fisherman to locate the bomb, I think that some compensation is due. I’ll agree that 20 million too much, but I see where you could argue for a settlement.

]]> By: RoC http://www.theolivepress.es/2007/01/25/the-day-the-h-bombs-came-to-andalucia-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-46154 RoC Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:30:31 +0000 #comment-46154 It's unfortunate this happened but what is just as sickening is the fact that this idiot Simó Orts, went with his lawyer to the courthouse in NYC, and claimed salvage rights. Because of "customary" maritime law, if a identifying the location leads to a successful recovery, the person usually gets a small fee (1 to 2 percent of the value of the item). Now, what is the value of a Hydrogen Bomb?? Per Wikipedia, it was valued at 2 Billion by the Secretary of Defense. He settled out of court for a undisclosed sum. I wish the bomb would have detonated right on his boat!! One less greedy prick to populate the earth!!! It’s unfortunate this happened but what is just as sickening is the fact that this idiot Simó Orts, went with his lawyer to the courthouse in NYC, and claimed salvage rights. Because of “customary” maritime law, if a identifying the location leads to a successful recovery, the person usually gets a small fee (1 to 2 percent of the value of the item). Now, what is the value of a Hydrogen Bomb?? Per Wikipedia, it was valued at 2 Billion by the Secretary of Defense. He settled out of court for a undisclosed sum.

I wish the bomb would have detonated right on his boat!! One less greedy prick to populate the earth!!!

]]> By: Melissa Messinger http://www.theolivepress.es/2007/01/25/the-day-the-h-bombs-came-to-andalucia-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-45564 Melissa Messinger Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:21:48 +0000 #comment-45564 My father, Major Larry G. Messinger was the pilot of the B-52 and isn't it interresting that NO ONE has ever bothered to interview HIM to find out the REAL truth about what happened that day. There was NO mid-air collision as is widely touted as the reason for the crash. But again, NO ONE has bothered to go to my father to get the facts. Not the US Air Force and few, if any others who have written so-called books about the event. The B-52 NEVER Rammed the underbelly of the tanker! My father was an accomplished pilot and had more hours in the air than almost any pilot on record. With all of the fuel in the air at that altitude and with the conditions being such there was a fuel ignition but NO deliberate crash whatsoever. Let's set the record straight once and for all. The B-52 my dad was pilot of never rammed the belly of the tanker. My father,
Major Larry G. Messinger was the pilot of the B-52 and isn’t it interresting that NO ONE has ever bothered to interview HIM to find out the REAL truth about what happened that day. There was NO mid-air collision as is widely touted as the reason for the crash. But again, NO ONE has bothered to go to my father to get the facts. Not the US Air Force and few, if any others who have written so-called books about the event.
The B-52 NEVER Rammed the underbelly of the tanker! My father was an accomplished pilot and had more hours in the air than almost any pilot on record. With all of the fuel in the air at that altitude and with the conditions being such there was a fuel ignition but NO deliberate crash whatsoever. Let’s set the record straight once and for all. The B-52 my dad was pilot of never rammed the belly of the tanker.

]]> By: Ernest W. Conner http://www.theolivepress.es/2007/01/25/the-day-the-h-bombs-came-to-andalucia-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-21435 Ernest W. Conner Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:34:35 +0000 #comment-21435 As to why the bombs did not produce a nuclear explosion is due to the safety features of the bomb. Only if all the arming sequences are activated can such an explosion occur. Otherwise a smaller explosion can occur with only some of the components spilling out such as what happened to those that landed on land at Palomares. It was a very unfortunate accident that was caused by PILOT ERROR! It is a date that is etched in my memory because I was in the other B-52 that was simultaneously refueling. Also, it was our 2nd refuelling and we had a lot of airspace yet to travel, from the site of the accident to the far eastern reaches of the Mediterranean west to our return to Seymour Johnson AFB, N.C. Also not mentioned was the fact that Wendorf violated SAC policy by allowing Messinger to be in the seat for refuelling. Lt Rooney did not eject but made a manual bailout thru the open hatch created below by the ejection of Major Buchannon. As to why the bombs did not produce a nuclear explosion is due to the safety features of the bomb. Only if all the arming sequences are activated can such an explosion occur. Otherwise a smaller explosion can occur with only some of the components spilling out such as what happened to those that landed on land at Palomares. It was a very unfortunate accident that was caused by PILOT ERROR! It is a date that is etched in my memory because I was in the other B-52 that was simultaneously refueling. Also, it was our 2nd refuelling and we had a lot of airspace yet to travel, from the site of the accident to the far eastern reaches of the Mediterranean west to our return to Seymour Johnson AFB, N.C. Also not mentioned was the fact that Wendorf violated SAC policy by allowing Messinger to be in the seat for refuelling. Lt Rooney did not eject but made a manual bailout thru the open hatch created below by the ejection of Major Buchannon.

]]> By: spk http://www.theolivepress.es/2007/01/25/the-day-the-h-bombs-came-to-andalucia-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-9591 spk Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:03:13 +0000 #comment-9591 where is part 2? where is part 2?

]]> By: P Santamaria Grant http://www.theolivepress.es/2007/01/25/the-day-the-h-bombs-came-to-andalucia-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-9483 P Santamaria Grant Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:44:09 +0000 #comment-9483 The questions that were asked by the american airforce, but not in public was why the four bombs, armed and ready, did not explode. Tests showed that their entire nuclear arsenal was useless due to faulty design of the detonating explosive. This was obviously kept secret because it would have given Russia an absolute advantage in the cold war. This is true as I was told it by a very high ranking american airman who was flying from the same airbase a the lost plane. The questions that were asked by the american airforce, but not in public was why the four bombs, armed and ready, did not explode. Tests showed that their entire nuclear arsenal was useless due to faulty design of the detonating explosive. This was obviously kept secret because it would have given Russia an absolute advantage in the cold war. This is true as I was told it by a very high ranking american airman who was flying from the same airbase a the lost plane.

]]> By: John Simo Villarreal http://www.theolivepress.es/2007/01/25/the-day-the-h-bombs-came-to-andalucia-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-9255 John Simo Villarreal Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:13:49 +0000 #comment-9255 Hello and sorry to bother you. When I was young, my mother told me our family was related to Francisco Simo Orts. I learned later that the Simo family home, still in Menorca, is now the Capo-Simo family. I would love to get in contact with long-lost relatives I've never had the pleasure to meet. If anyone knows of a way I might be able to contact them, please give them my information. John Simo Villarreal 1021 Melanie's Walk Pflugerville, Texas USA 787660 512-670-0478 home 512-296-6355 cell jsvillarreal35@yahoo.com I am from the family line of two brothers that came from a shrimping/steamboat engineering family= Juan and Jose Simo via Baton Rouge, Louisianna and Port Isabel, Texas and Brownsville, Texas. I genuinely appreciate your assistance. Take Care and God Bless, JSV Hello and sorry to bother you. When I was young, my mother told me our family was related to Francisco Simo Orts. I learned later that the Simo family home, still in Menorca, is now the Capo-Simo family. I would love to get in contact with long-lost relatives I’ve never had the pleasure to meet. If anyone knows of a way I might be able to contact them, please give them my information.

John Simo Villarreal
1021 Melanie’s Walk
Pflugerville, Texas USA 787660
512-670-0478 home 512-296-6355 cell
jsvillarreal35@yahoo.com

I am from the family line of two brothers that came from a shrimping/steamboat engineering family= Juan and Jose Simo via Baton Rouge, Louisianna and Port Isabel, Texas and Brownsville, Texas.

I genuinely appreciate your assistance.

Take Care and God Bless,
JSV

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