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		<title>By: Christine Ferguson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa,

Corruption, incompetence, injustice and disregard for law generally is the scourge of southern Spain at the moment but change is on its way.  Imprisonment is on the cards as Alcaucin officials and residents know.

Indeed join in with SOHA  (Save our homes in Axarquia) at Vinuela as this is an active and caring campaigning group.  
Alternatively I will see how I can help you  from a Citizen Advocacy perspective.  (Tel 620102850)

There was no proper basis in law to make your contract,  therefore all parties involved in the sale have to be culpable and you must persist in taking proceedings against them.  Depending on your income you could try to get legal  state help from the Collegio de Abogados in Velez Malaga.  

If you will contact SOHA they could pass my telephone number to you  (if it is not printed here) and I will try to advise you of other options which are being explored at present. 
Keep courage.  Europe is constituted to  force changes in due course. Very best wishes.

Christine Ferguson
Citizen Advocacy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa,</p>
<p>Corruption, incompetence, injustice and disregard for law generally is the scourge of southern Spain at the moment but change is on its way.  Imprisonment is on the cards as Alcaucin officials and residents know.</p>
<p>Indeed join in with SOHA  (Save our homes in Axarquia) at Vinuela as this is an active and caring campaigning group.<br />
Alternatively I will see how I can help you  from a Citizen Advocacy perspective.  (Tel 620102850)</p>
<p>There was no proper basis in law to make your contract,  therefore all parties involved in the sale have to be culpable and you must persist in taking proceedings against them.  Depending on your income you could try to get legal  state help from the Collegio de Abogados in Velez Malaga.  </p>
<p>If you will contact SOHA they could pass my telephone number to you  (if it is not printed here) and I will try to advise you of other options which are being explored at present.<br />
Keep courage.  Europe is constituted to  force changes in due course. Very best wishes.</p>
<p>Christine Ferguson<br />
Citizen Advocacy</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa it sounds as if your lawyer and architect have been purposely dragging out the proceededing, knowing that they will ultimately fail, in order to extract maximum money from you. This is very common in Spain. Do your architect and lawyer, and/or estate agent know each other, or are they all independent? They should be the latter. The architect going to prison doesn&#039;t sound like a good endorsement.

Have you visited www.soha.es ? There are many local groups who meet and discuss these and related issues. If the land is rustic (non urban) then I fear you will never be able to change the designation of the land. Which houses are being legalised? Are they on rustic land? This seems unlikely as building on rustic land has been clamped down on and no complete agreement has been reached yet as what to do with all the existing illegal builds in the Axarquia yet. If your land is rustic it will stay that way I fear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa it sounds as if your lawyer and architect have been purposely dragging out the proceededing, knowing that they will ultimately fail, in order to extract maximum money from you. This is very common in Spain. Do your architect and lawyer, and/or estate agent know each other, or are they all independent? They should be the latter. The architect going to prison doesn&#8217;t sound like a good endorsement.</p>
<p>Have you visited <a href="http://www.soha.es" rel="nofollow">http://www.soha.es</a> ? There are many local groups who meet and discuss these and related issues. If the land is rustic (non urban) then I fear you will never be able to change the designation of the land. Which houses are being legalised? Are they on rustic land? This seems unlikely as building on rustic land has been clamped down on and no complete agreement has been reached yet as what to do with all the existing illegal builds in the Axarquia yet. If your land is rustic it will stay that way I fear.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Holt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Holt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just forgot to add that this has been going in for three years and we are paying every month for a 6,000 sq mt plot that we can do nothing with. The plot is in Mecappa Alcaucin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just forgot to add that this has been going in for three years and we are paying every month for a 6,000 sq mt plot that we can do nothing with. The plot is in Mecappa Alcaucin.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Holt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Holt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We bought some land in Alcaucin from a builder and had full confidence that we would get planning permission as we were told by both the builder and the lawyer and the architect, who incidentally went to prison that we could get planning permission as there was a ruin on the plot.

We have paid out so much money to the lawyer and the architect, that running our business at home in England has become such a strain that it is literally breaking us.

We have made several trips to Alcaucin each time to be told by the mayor that we cannot have planning as the land is rustic, even though all the properties around that were caught up in the mess are in the process of being legalised.

Has anybody at all got any advice as anything would be helpful. 

Thankyou and hope any readers can help us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We bought some land in Alcaucin from a builder and had full confidence that we would get planning permission as we were told by both the builder and the lawyer and the architect, who incidentally went to prison that we could get planning permission as there was a ruin on the plot.</p>
<p>We have paid out so much money to the lawyer and the architect, that running our business at home in England has become such a strain that it is literally breaking us.</p>
<p>We have made several trips to Alcaucin each time to be told by the mayor that we cannot have planning as the land is rustic, even though all the properties around that were caught up in the mess are in the process of being legalised.</p>
<p>Has anybody at all got any advice as anything would be helpful. </p>
<p>Thankyou and hope any readers can help us.</p>
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		<title>By: gerd n.</title>
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		<dc:creator>gerd n.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>happy christmas...!

guardia civil lifted exmayor, extownarchitekt and a few landdealers...

 ask autie google   lliber, alicante ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>happy christmas&#8230;!</p>
<p>guardia civil lifted exmayor, extownarchitekt and a few landdealers&#8230;</p>
<p> ask autie google   lliber, alicante &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Christine Ferguson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerd:-
                  

                      Wordy Birdie


You up in your tree Gerd? Perched, wild as an eagle?
Find a computer and  type in &#039;BeLegal&#039; (.com)
I&#039;m sure they&#039;ll confirm when you find you&#039;ve &#039;a pest&#039;
You&#039;ll be perfectly right to do Citizen&#039;s Arrest.

If not there are sources  -(let&#039;s  all stand in awe)-
Who have read and digested some shreds of the law
You said  Justice ? There is none. Just Laws. That&#039;s enough.
All notions of Justice are just &#039;sissy&#039; stuff.

Psychological timing? Alas but it&#039;s true
Time&#039;s not &#039;of the essence&#039; - &#039;Manana&#039; will do.
Inconvenience? Don&#039;t tease us! - To you it&#039;s a lot?
Permit us to laugh for we don&#039;t care a  jot.

Hey, wait!  You&#039;re all leaving? No? Just havin&#039; fun?
Withdrawin&#039; your money and loadin&#039; yer gun?
Say, we&#039;ve just reconsidered the hash that we&#039;ve made
And started a fund called &#039;Robbed Foreigners Aid&#039; 

Be legal?.. Be Decent? Be Generous.....Us?
Our robbery&#039;s legendary, why make a fuss?
We&#039;re jealous as hell of our near- neighbour&#039;s boast
And wish we could say &quot; We&#039;re the Barbary Coast.&quot;

Arrest all  us  bandits with Citizens&#039; powers?
To be locked up and served would amuse us for hours.
For conditions &#039;inside&#039; are quite pleasant they say
You play cards for a time, then go on your way.

But there&#039;s truth in the words that we may lose our pride.
When our neighbours all hear we&#039;ve been &#039;had up inside.&#039;
And the eyes that accuse us condemn us,.. we see
Our family names damned to eternity.

Caballeros must ride with a head that&#039;s held high
Whilst to  &quot; Viva Espana&quot;  the people all cry.
Now, alas,  let Spain know, as it picks up the cost
Thanks to bandits and &#039;bull&#039; its prestige has been lost.


Arresting a citizens surely must send
A message so clear : Respect&#039;s at an end 
If Justice you&#039;d rape and all decency bend
You&#039;ll have sacrificed all. Now, Goodbye,

              Once A Friend. 












 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerd:-</p>
<p>                      Wordy Birdie</p>
<p>You up in your tree Gerd? Perched, wild as an eagle?<br />
Find a computer and  type in &#8216;BeLegal&#8217; (.com)<br />
I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll confirm when you find you&#8217;ve &#8216;a pest&#8217;<br />
You&#8217;ll be perfectly right to do Citizen&#8217;s Arrest.</p>
<p>If not there are sources  -(let&#8217;s  all stand in awe)-<br />
Who have read and digested some shreds of the law<br />
You said  Justice ? There is none. Just Laws. That&#8217;s enough.<br />
All notions of Justice are just &#8217;sissy&#8217; stuff.</p>
<p>Psychological timing? Alas but it&#8217;s true<br />
Time&#8217;s not &#8216;of the essence&#8217; &#8211; &#8216;Manana&#8217; will do.<br />
Inconvenience? Don&#8217;t tease us! &#8211; To you it&#8217;s a lot?<br />
Permit us to laugh for we don&#8217;t care a  jot.</p>
<p>Hey, wait!  You&#8217;re all leaving? No? Just havin&#8217; fun?<br />
Withdrawin&#8217; your money and loadin&#8217; yer gun?<br />
Say, we&#8217;ve just reconsidered the hash that we&#8217;ve made<br />
And started a fund called &#8216;Robbed Foreigners Aid&#8217; </p>
<p>Be legal?.. Be Decent? Be Generous&#8230;..Us?<br />
Our robbery&#8217;s legendary, why make a fuss?<br />
We&#8217;re jealous as hell of our near- neighbour&#8217;s boast<br />
And wish we could say &#8221; We&#8217;re the Barbary Coast.&#8221;</p>
<p>Arrest all  us  bandits with Citizens&#8217; powers?<br />
To be locked up and served would amuse us for hours.<br />
For conditions &#8216;inside&#8217; are quite pleasant they say<br />
You play cards for a time, then go on your way.</p>
<p>But there&#8217;s truth in the words that we may lose our pride.<br />
When our neighbours all hear we&#8217;ve been &#8216;had up inside.&#8217;<br />
And the eyes that accuse us condemn us,.. we see<br />
Our family names damned to eternity.</p>
<p>Caballeros must ride with a head that&#8217;s held high<br />
Whilst to  &#8221; Viva Espana&#8221;  the people all cry.<br />
Now, alas,  let Spain know, as it picks up the cost<br />
Thanks to bandits and &#8216;bull&#8217; its prestige has been lost.</p>
<p>Arresting a citizens surely must send<br />
A message so clear : Respect&#8217;s at an end<br />
If Justice you&#8217;d rape and all decency bend<br />
You&#8217;ll have sacrificed all. Now, Goodbye,</p>
<p>              Once A Friend. </p>
<p>.</p>
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		<title>By: gerd n.</title>
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		<dc:creator>gerd n.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>correction.....pissed(the american way) is more: &quot;to be peeved (at sth.) &quot;
sorry..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>correction&#8230;..pissed(the american way) is more: &#8220;to be peeved (at sth.) &#8221;<br />
sorry..</p>
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		<title>By: gerd n.</title>
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		<dc:creator>gerd n.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>christine,

tonight i read your statement......and i still see this woman with a banner in her hand... its not the french but its the one of truth, faith and helping each other...

&quot;Citizens’ Arrest is possible in Spain&quot; 
ooooh i do love that frase!!!!! can u link to the spanish law §§ to read more about that???

see, some years ago i told some brit friends: you have to fight for the right to live on your land in spain.....

more than 20years ago i read a grafitty in canary island la palma &quot; no vende tierra a los extranjeros&quot;(or so ...)
i spoke to a palmero later and asked if we should do like the spanish did when they took over from the guanches?

he was not amused;-)

christine, am i allowed to post some of, what u said above on our forumhp?? would be easier for me cause i think....and you just wrote (also in a perfect english )
so the most of the readers can understand.

&quot;Martyrdom is not my scene. Like a feline form of Garfield I am a ‘Do not Disturb’ model. But if someone does, then it’s down off the tree…….C.&quot;

...so am i. going good old monty phytons..&quot;everybody just one cross.....&quot;

and yes... i was sitting on my tree quite peacefull and well balanced... 
but here comes the calculation:
no electricity + more houses on -land * generator noise =gerd is pissed !

means i have to act...getting off the tree.
i just cant fulltime otherwise i go mad..... so do it with a 10yearlivininspain mentality.... everything has its time.
fiesta, living, friends, legal fights...

and i start to fall in love the word citizen arrest!

gerd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>christine,</p>
<p>tonight i read your statement&#8230;&#8230;and i still see this woman with a banner in her hand&#8230; its not the french but its the one of truth, faith and helping each other&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Citizens’ Arrest is possible in Spain&#8221;<br />
ooooh i do love that frase!!!!! can u link to the spanish law §§ to read more about that???</p>
<p>see, some years ago i told some brit friends: you have to fight for the right to live on your land in spain&#8230;..</p>
<p>more than 20years ago i read a grafitty in canary island la palma &#8221; no vende tierra a los extranjeros&#8221;(or so &#8230;)<br />
i spoke to a palmero later and asked if we should do like the spanish did when they took over from the guanches?</p>
<p>he was not amused;-)</p>
<p>christine, am i allowed to post some of, what u said above on our forumhp?? would be easier for me cause i think&#8230;.and you just wrote (also in a perfect english )<br />
so the most of the readers can understand.</p>
<p>&#8220;Martyrdom is not my scene. Like a feline form of Garfield I am a ‘Do not Disturb’ model. But if someone does, then it’s down off the tree…….C.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;so am i. going good old monty phytons..&#8221;everybody just one cross&#8230;..&#8221;</p>
<p>and yes&#8230; i was sitting on my tree quite peacefull and well balanced&#8230;<br />
but here comes the calculation:<br />
no electricity + more houses on -land * generator noise =gerd is pissed !</p>
<p>means i have to act&#8230;getting off the tree.<br />
i just cant fulltime otherwise i go mad&#8230;.. so do it with a 10yearlivininspain mentality&#8230;. everything has its time.<br />
fiesta, living, friends, legal fights&#8230;</p>
<p>and i start to fall in love the word citizen arrest!</p>
<p>gerd</p>
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		<title>By: Christine Ferguson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred I received an answer for you. Will forward contents soon.   Best.  C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred I received an answer for you. Will forward contents soon.   Best.  C</p>
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		<title>By: Christine Ferguson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerd,

Jeanne d&#039;arc?  Perhaps just DARK with annoyance at what our fellow citizens are expected to put up with.

Of course, If you refer to Jeanne s&#039;arc as a &#039;lady ablaze &#039;you might well be right!

Martyrdom is not my scene. Like a feline form of Garfield I am a &#039;Do not Disturb&#039; model. But if someone does, then  it&#039;s down off the tree.......C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerd,</p>
<p>Jeanne d&#8217;arc?  Perhaps just DARK with annoyance at what our fellow citizens are expected to put up with.</p>
<p>Of course, If you refer to Jeanne s&#8217;arc as a &#8216;lady ablaze &#8216;you might well be right!</p>
<p>Martyrdom is not my scene. Like a feline form of Garfield I am a &#8216;Do not Disturb&#8217; model. But if someone does, then  it&#8217;s down off the tree&#8230;&#8230;.C.</p>
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