Comments on: Cadiz housing protest

By: Fred

Fred — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:56:32 +0000

Paul, I commented earlier on the terrible lack of EU decision making on this matter. It’s a disgrace. The mayor of Sayalonga is about to spend a year in prison btw.

By: paul

paul — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:18:42 +0000

To add, the Chiclana Council take our money for IBI for which we receive rubbish removal only.

By: paul

paul — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:16:07 +0000

Just for added info Fred & Lenox although you may both already know, Margarethe Auken MEP along with Michael Cashman MEP spent a large a large amount of time in Spain last year inspecting the many allegations and problems alleged and aimed at the Spanish Building & Construction Industry and put together an in depth report highlighting these problems, those that were responsible, those that were making large amounts of money out of them and who were suffering from the chaos and deceptions and frauds being committed by those involved. They submitted the report to the EU Committee President both hoping and assuming he and his committee would withold further funds due to be released to Spain – an amount of some Euros 171 Million UNTIL the Spanish Government took action AGAINST those involved in these Property Scandals, Frauds etc which it is believed included Mayors,Councillors,Planning Officers,Lawyers,Notaries and even MP’s among the suspects involved.This was the third time Spain had been warned about its ‘Property Industry problems’ within 8 years and they felt the EU President and Committee MUST take action themselves THIS TIME as Spain had failed to do anything when ‘let-off’ previously. But NO, the EU President didn’t even call the matter instead saying there was a technical problem with it and that time had run out before it could be submitted, so Spain had escaped yet again. One can only wonder by how many zeros the Presidents Bank Account grew the next day?

By: Lenox

Lenox — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:15:02 +0000

There are various home-owners associations who are fighting to sort out these property problems which have done so much to destroy people’s lives and, at the same time, trash Sapin’s reputation internationally. Problems vary from ‘Land Grab’ to ‘illegal urbanisations’ to corrupt town halls to bent promoters and their 3,000 euro property companies.
See the anti urban-abuse ‘AUN’ website at http://www.abusos-no.org/ which has now started a national federation called ‘FAUN’.

By: Fred

Fred — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:09:09 +0000

Sorry to hear that. It is a truly disgusting state of affairs. The hard thing to get to the bottom of if is the estate agent, lawyer and promoter colluded in all of this. I would be inclined to believe they did. That would be the real evil, since they are the convincers who push the sale through (as all benefit). It’s like a chain reaction from the developer onwards.

Spain’s housing boom and all the fall-out must surely rank as one of the biggest corruption cases in the existence of this planet. It must run to billions of euros if the truth be known.

By: paul

paul — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:31:21 +0000

Sorry to disillusion you Fred but yes my house along with all the others ARE illegal. It’s the old, old story of Brits, Spaniards, Dutch,Germans etc,etc being conned by the Spanish Building bastards.You buy your home through the Estate Agent, English Promoter explains it all, what reason do you have for thinking it’s illegal. You’ve come from a country where there’s no such thing. Then you go to the Lawyer who’s no doubt in on it and the notary who’s probably in on it. Money passes under the table, you question this and you’re told this is because of ‘tax’ and if you don’t do this ‘you’ll never buy a house in Spain, confirmed by the female English Promoter’ so it all goes through and then you find out after all the problems and join the Club with all the members!

By: Fred

Fred — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:15:50 +0000

It is an absolute waste of time taking legal action in Spain; you need to go to a higher authority. Costly, and will need a lot of support, but probably more worthwhile in the long run. If you are not the getting basic services that you mentioned, like water and sewage, and yet are paying taxes for a (legal) property then you are having your human rights breached are you not? That was my point. Is your house legal? Clearly, if not, the local authority will just say we cannot provide services to an illegal property, so I assume this is not the case?

Regarding Mijas, which I know is not in Cadiz. The title of this article is “ongoing housing abuses taking place across Andalucia” and so I just mentioned Mijas in passing since a resident there told me yesterday that there were many thousands of demolition orders in existence and I could not believe the number.

By: paul

paul — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:41:42 +0000

Not wishing to sound impertinent Fred but exactly what are you referring to. Can you be more specific and maybe I can enlighten you?

By: Fred

Fred — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:20:50 +0000

This totally contravenes basic human rights laws, to which Spain has signed up to. In a parallel universe of Spain of course. Get good lawyers; launch a class action lawsuit via the court of human rights.

Did people know that Mijas currently has 8000 demolition orders pending!?

By: paul

paul — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:28:47 +0000

Further to the above I would like to add that in addition to the costs quoted there are “hidden extras” from the Council by way of fines and charges to be added on for example if you do not agree to be Urbanised at the outset along with everyone else but change your mind (you can only do this within a 2 year time scale according to the Council) you would have to pay a “fine” of an extra 25% of the amount costed.
Also ALL AMOUNTS IN TOTAL have to be paid BEFORE ANY WORK COMMENCES, ie. the 30,000 – 141,000 euros and NO property will be legalised until the final payment is made and the whole amount MUST, REPEAT MUST BE PAID WITHIN 2 YEARS. YES, the COUNCIL ARE GIVING PEOPLE 2 YEARS TO PAY THESE PROHIBITIVE SUMS OF MONEY or may threaten to claim there properties, sell them for a song,take cash for the Urbanisation and give what’s left to the ex-homeowner.
The people want Mains water,Sewage and Rainwater removal at a “REASONABLE COST” and with a “REASONABLE TIME-SCALE TO PAY” !