Laurence Dollimore
GIBRALTAR has been listed as a priority for Spain during the 71st United Nations General Assembly.
Spain’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs said in its statement at the beginning of the session that it would defend the principle of territorial integrity and application to Gibraltar.
Earlier this month, Spanish foreign minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo said he would brief EU ministers on joint-sovereignty of the Rock.
He then claimed Brexit represented the best opportunity since the 1713 Treaty of Utrecht for Spain to regain control of the British territory.
Gibraltar politicians, including first minister Fabian Picardo, have since criticised Margallo for having a ‘ridiculous obsession’ with claiming sovereignty of the Rock.
Spain’s other priorities include working on international peace, migration and humanitarian challenges, human rights, sustainable development, and the election of a new Secretary General and UN reform.
Will Spain and it’s people ever understand democracy?
Where do Ceuta and Melilla stand with regards to territorial integity?
Ceuta and Melilla is Spanish-Morrocco relations, where does the UK stand there? Nowhere. When will the bigoted UK citizens understand democracy?
Spain needs to get its own country in order. It needs a government first. Then it needs to stamp out corruption. Corruption has risen over the last year.
No good asking, they go straight into denial syndrome at which they are world champions.
The UK must return Gibraltar, Malvinas, Northern Ireland and Chagos to their real owners, that is, Spain, Argentina, the Republic of Ireland and the Chagossian. 4 different problems and 1 common denominator: the UK.
Not by chance they are the most corrupted nation on earth.
Its nice that Spain and its former colonies in South America have risen above corruption and epitomize modern egalitarian democracies.
Fair stab at irony chas. But still not sure Yanks can hack it in that sphere.
Nor any country. Its a matter of degree.
I was referring to irony chas, not countries.
Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance. Sun Tzu
Pablo
I agree with you about Gibraltar and I disagree about UK is the most corrupt nation of the World.
“Not by chance they are the most corrupted nation on earth.”
Look closer to home Pablo, you must be blind. Give back Ceuta and Melilla while you are there.
Fred
It is a big mistake to think that the issue of Ceuta and Melilla have any similute with Gibraltar. If you have some doubt with this respect , lookfor the resolutions of the United Nations.
Anselmo, Gibraltar have self determination. End of.
The UK is the most corrupt nation on earth??! My god you Spanish have some nerve. The sheer inability of you people to see what is staring you in the face every single day is astonishing. Wow, just wow.
Tim
My love to Spain not impede me to think that you are right.
I not doubt that in UK could exist corruption, but in a ridiculous scale in comparation with my country.
But it is a fact that the parlamentary system of cabinet of UK ,without separation of powers, is a garanty that can exist an important focus of corruption. The existence of a sort of medieval institutions , the fact that UK is the base of many masonic movements, the existence of the City, are all them evidences that implies risk of spots of corruption.
but dear tim….
it seems you dont know too much about the history of britain, no????
they (you) are, of course, the most corrupt nation on earth.
the uk is now the global money laundering center for drug trade, they have been involved in slave trade, drug trade, invasion and looting for ages.
Transparency International – “www.transparency.org”
UK – 10th least corrupt country in the world.
Spain – 36th least corrupt country in the world…
Now go away Pablo, and learn some English if you are going to post on an English speaking newspaper.
that is a bit rich coming from an englishman who lives in spain and don’t even know 1 (ONE) word in spanish.
you guys have some problems to get integrated, no??
The depth of your political insight is breathtaking.
Must admit I found this quite amusing.
Spain’s other priorities include working on international peace, migration and humanitarian challenges, human rights, sustainable development, and the election of a new Secretary General and UN reform.
Lets look at each suggestion.
1. Spain’s other priorities include working on international peace.
PERHAPS THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN THE WORD GIBRALTAR.
2. migration and humanitarian challenges.
SPAIN HAS CLOSED THE DOOR ON REFUGEES.
3. human rights.
DEMOLISH THOUSANDS OF HOMES.
4. sustainable development,
PROVIDING THE MONEY COMES FROM THE EU.
5. the election of a new Secretary General and UN reform.
This one I like. CAN’T EVEN FORM THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT.
“CAN’T EVEN FORM THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT.”
says the guy ruled by an UNELECTED prime minister.
Rajoy may have the largest party, but he has not yet been elected to power either, Pablo. Why can’t you work out such obvious things?
Pablo also suffers from selective memory syndrome. It’s becoming a plague in certain quarters.
Some numbers: Gibraltar unemployment: 3%. La Linea de la Concepción: 34.2%. Algeciras: 28.7%… although an article from RTVE from March this year has La Línea at 40.1% and Sanlucar de Barameda at 42.3%. Maybe, instead of Spain taking over Gibraltar, we should examine the opposite…
In population, Gibraltar is 30,000 souls. Melilla and Ceuta between them are 160,000 people. Now Spain may say that these are different, but which other country in the world is going to accept that? Will Magrallo be silly enough to bet 30,000 against the potential loss of 160,000?
Lastly – what would Spain do with the Gibbos? Shoot them, deport them or make them Spanish – effectively adding 30,000 rebels to the state!
* The unemployment rate of Gibraltar is 0.49% – released September 2016.
I think that your arguments shows a great degree of confusion.
You are missing the point taht the economy of Gibraltar is based in fiscal advantages that allow the existence of business as the commerce of tobacco , the residence of firms, the bunkering of fuel , the internet games, etc. Things that in La Linea , san Lucar, etc, can not be made.
That Ceuta and Melilla are not comparable to Gibraltar. Look for the UN resolutions if you have some doubt.
And respect the inhabitants of Gibraltar, nobody wants to harm his rights nor his aspirations. It is only a question of recover the territorial integrity of Spain,without to produce sufferings to anybody.
So Spain would promise, hand on heart, to allow Gibraltar to go its’ own sweet way as long as they surrendered their territorial integrity? Forgive my snort of derision Anselmo. As a famous comic actor used to frequently say, “I don’t believe it”.
unemployment in spanish towns with less than 10.000 inhabitants:
Naut Aran 0.97%
Figueruelas 1.07%
Galar 1.34%
Loiu 1.6%
and the list goes on and on.
If you want to compare a tiny little village like gibraltar, you have to do it with comparable towns.
you are not very bright, are you?
Strange why Spain is so worried about “a tiny little village like gibraltar”.
They have any territorial integrity, so they can not surrender nothing. The inhabitants of a town havn´t got territorial integrity. This is an atribute of a state.
Gibraltar will never again be a part of Spain, 300 years and you still don’t get it. The only way you will get it back is by marching over the border and taking it. But that aint going to happen, so will you, please, finally just shut your mouth! We are all so tired of your terrible English and embarrassing Napoleon complex.
your attack of indignation constitutes a sample of cognitive disonance and shows that you lack arguments, apart of your call to the use of the war as procedure for to resolve decolonization problems.
Complex napoleonic? …. very imaginative.
Bad english? …. I lament to say that I agree with You and I ask for excuses.
Your use and understanding of ‘cognitive dissonance’ is incorrect – unless you refer to your own felt sense of dissonance when you try to resolve Spain’s despotic regimes into democracy. The bad English is ok; the pretense to understanding is not.
I regret that you continue without presenting arguments
Phil, you forgot to mention we even sorted Napoleon out.
what you still dont get, is that gibraltar is totally unviable without spain.
you will experience that very soon, when the gate will be finally closed, locked, sealed.
good luck with that.
lol
You are proposing mutually assured destruction Pablo. Thousands of Spanish workers on the scrapheap just so you and nationalist thugs of your ilk, may enjoy a hubristic, pyrrhic victory?
Don’t think so!
Gate? What gate? Oh you mean the border will be closed. Well, I guess the UK can then reply by halting all Spanish exports to the UK, Then it could nationalise all Spanish companies in the UK. And maybe end it with a tax of 500 GBP for anyone from the UK heading to Spain on holiday…
halting all spanish exports to the uk?
the uk is a tiny little market.
and no more british tourists and immigrants would be like a bless.
you have had a great idea for once in your life.
well done.
Spanish exports to UK 2015 – 22 Bn Eur
UK tourist spend in Spain 2015 – 8.5 Bn Eur
I forgot that Spain in the richest country in the world and doesn’t need this money, sorry.
That towns don’t have ‘territorial inegrity’ is nonsense. The column in front of towns, the foro, was a sign of their integrity. Your argument is formalistic nonsense convenient to part politics, not democratic understanding.
You are mistaking a city state,that became the capital of an empire, with Gibraltar?
No, towns all over Iberian peninsula. And the fact that cities have territorial boundaries, eg, within or without.
I fear that you are mistaking the frontiers of the Roman Empire with the city limits (pomoerium)
It isn’t your grasp of English that’s at fault Anselmo, It’s your memory. On one hand you urge Spain to “recover its’ territorial integrity”. The next comment produces the assertion that Gibraltar doesn’t possess territorial integrity.
You can’t have it both ways.
Because Gibraltar is not a state.
You are using formalistic arguments, which are the antithesis of rational discourse. As long as one sets up problems starting with an over-arching law, as in geometry, one can only use deductive reasoning. As Aristotle taught us, logic isn’t limited to proving a rule is true, but includes as well inductive hypothesis formation that can be tested. So starting with definitions from ancient regimes won’t do, because you exclude all current realities by your narrow, self serving definition of what constituted a city in times no longer relevant to the problem at hand. Thinking necessitates exploration of ideas and facts, not stubborn adherence to a mechanistic, static worldview where everything has its rightful place because some elite despot or religious figure decreed it.
Seems to me that you are mistaking deductive thinking (Plato et al.) with delirious thinking. The thinking not constrained by certain formalities that link it with the real world, is a waste of energy.
The thinking based in ambigous concept and fuzzy relations is a scar that human kind owes to two class of ideologies: the social democrat and the wrongly called nationalism. So the peoples are deprived of their critic thinking, in benefit of their dominant minorities.
ANSWER THAT ANSELMO!!
Anselmo, with your face to the sun you’ve gone blind.
“The method employed I would gladly explain,
While I have it so clear in my head,
If I had but the time and you had but the brain—
But much yet remains to be said.
– Lewis Carrol, The Hunting of the Snark
Chas,
your wasting your time – Pablo Cedron is certifiable and Anselmo has denial syndrome, sadly like so many Spanish.
The EU is close to collapse in so many sectors – banking, Italian/Spanish/German banks will all collapse, all it will take is one more shock and that’s it. That stupid German woman has caused an immigration problem that can only grow and grow, people in many countries are being insulted by parasitic metros as being racist when in reality they feel their countries are being overrun by those with totally different mindsets.
And then we have Spain a country put together against the wishes of many of it’s disparate peoples (Just like the UK). Catalunya is not Spanish, different racial group and never wished to be ruled by Aryans from the centre, same goes for Pais Vasco and the Euskadi. Those same Aryan invaders want Gibralter but their hypocracy and denial syndrome have no limits. They are not North African Semites and have no right to be anywhere in North Africa but they will never agree to that.
stuart, let me see…
1st i am not spanish, but ar-gen-ti-nian, of catalan ancestry, living in barcelona since 15 years ago.
2nd, whats your level of education? kindergarten?
who told YOU that cataluña is not spanish?
who told YOU that they (WE) are a different racial group?
it seems to me that you are stuck in the racial doctrine of the nazis.
spain is composed by a lot of peoples, and as everybody knows, except you, those peoples got mixed through the centuries.
READ AND LEARN,
El núcleo doctrinal del catalanismo
Francisco Caja
Colección: ENSAYO
An obsession with race hides the simple fact that all people are human beings. A difficult truth for people who seek simplistic answers to complex problems. Racial profiling has been used in the past to justify many evils and is still being used today.