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A DECISION by Ryanair to sack a steward who ate a €5.50 sandwich while working has been upheld by Madrid’s city court.
The Madrid-based steward was dismissed in 2011 after he failed to follow the discount airline’s food purchasing protocol.
He neither informed other crew members he was eating, nor paid for the ham, cheese and tomato baguette as required by the company’s regulations.
The steward has appealed twice, first to the labour court in Madrid and most recently to the city’s court of law.
Both judges dismissed his appeal on the basis the low-cost airline operates according to Irish law, and the steward was hired through a job agency in Oslo.
He should be given a medal, rather than sacked, for having the nerve and fortitude to eat one of Ryanair’s disgusting sandwiches.
Strange, or is it, after all this judgement was handed down in Spain.
That awful little man at Ryanair tried to bully the French into accepting Irish employment laws – they fined him millions of Euros and threatened to shut down his operations in France – he paid up and shut up.
Another reason not to fly RyanAir, horrible company.
He stole a sandwich didn’t he?
We’ve never had a problem flying with Ryanair.
Anyhow, I’ll let you all get back to your Daily Wail! Enjoy (being miserable)
He’s only a thief. Everyone likes to have a thief on their workforce!
Perhaps he should receive a medal instead for thieving from his company?
Wake up everyone…
I can’t believe all these comments that condone theft. Theft is theft whether it’s a rubbish sandwich or a Ferrari. He knew the rules because he signed the contract…And now, who is going to employ him after all this publicity?…He must have known his appeal was certain to fail….What an idiot.
ha ha, you’re right Steve, stealing things is surely accounted for in any company.
Watch your pockets too then next time you fly with Ryanair if this is the case!
Derek,
I like ya replies.
If he had stolen a years supply of Sandwiches he would have won. Spanish justice does not believe in small issues.
Perhaps he should have argued that the sandwich had passed his sell by date & he could not allow passengers to buy them & get sick than he & his crew would have to deal with them.
The customer had not paid for being sick on the plane and in order to save cost his/her body would have pushed out of the plane. Of course without a parachute.
what a shame! this really absurd and shame on the EU legal system.
I thought we are one EEC? I hope next time the Ryan air will not apply the Sharia law and the Spanish Judge will say, this is a Saudi matter, they might chopped his hand off
Derek,
I know it’s trivial matter the stealing of a sandwich but many years ago talking to a manager, which at the time was a Victor Values supermarket, stated that during children holiday’s time’s his store losses approximately £5 thousand in stolen items. These losses are calculated into the extra costs of other items, a penny here and a penny there.
So basically the general public pay for these stolen items in the long run. This is just an example of what stealing causes.
In-fact while on a visit to the U.K a couple of years ago I actually saw, which appeared to be an alcoholic load the inside of his grubby mac with three bottles of Gin and casually walked out of the supermarket without paying. Couldn’t believe it.
@caccia…..I spent my whole working life managing supermarkets in the UK, one of which was a Victor Value store in the 60’s and any misguided notion that “a sandwich doesn’t matter” is utter garbage.
Predicted shrinkage (theft) is built into the margin forecast and no-one should be in any doubt that it is substantial. These day’s electronic tagging etc doesn’t stop the determined thief.
And, during my years I have witnessed so many store managers turfed out because of losses due to theft….Their family’s lives destroyed…..It makes me sick when I hear people say “well, Ryanair/Tesco/Lidl et al can afford it….It’s the PEOPLE that suffer….Not to mention the price increases imposed in order to cover it.
Brian,
Well said, it proves my point. Hope people reading your reply have a different perspective on light fingered people and the stealing of a mere sandwich so lightly.
Caccia and Derek, two peas in the zero empathy pod. Yes, of course stealing is wrong, but the context has to be taken into consideration. When you are an alcoholic or a drug addict you don’t generally think about the consequences of your actions, so that was a brainless comparison to start with Caccia. In the case of the evil sandwich thief, a warning would have been more appropriate, and he would probably have realised the error of his ways and avoided all the fall out.
Brian, supermarkets mark up all their goods, and not just to take into account thefts. They play a game with consumers and fleece and confuse them at every opportunity. Supermarkets are more evil than the sandwiches they sell.
@ Fred…What do you mean “mark up”??….If you are referring to the creation of ‘gross margins’ then yes, profit is not a dirty word…and nor is it “evil”…And since food retail has arguably the most intense competition in any commercial sector you could hardly justifiably suggest that margins are excessive….And in any case, NO-ONE has ever been forced to spend money at ANY supermarket.
A “warning” (as you suggest) resulting from theft from an employer or the business or a colleague would achieve nothing but theft on a grand scale. Dismissal is the only acceptable result and no industrial tribunal would uphold any subsequent appeal.
Fred, direct your (in)famous venom for those that deserve it.
Brian,
Now you can see the type of response that Fred comes out with. Basically his argument is it’s okay to steal but just give a warning. I don’t think he realizes the scale of theft that goes on, and at which point does he advocate the break off point of just a warning. Not only does the warning have no effect but indeed encourages more thefts. “it’s okay if I take this, i’ll only get a warning”.
Without set rule to employee’s or other’s that if one steals regardless of the value of an item then one has not only broken company rules but also broken state law.
A dismissal serves as a warning to others and as for the alcoholic that I had mentioned it was of self interest and no different as to the self interest of the person that stole the sandwich.
Calm down predictable Caccia – in this case only, I said. You’ve got some sort of problem where you take someones comments and then apply them to every scenario lol. I already said that stealing is wrong. Please acquire some human qualities, before hate consumes you completely. And do tell us how alcoholics consider the consequences of their actions when they are drunk out of their mind. Duh.
Brian, I worked for the two largest UK supermarkets as a contractor, in their HQs, back in the 90’s. You can’t tell me anything about how these companies work. People are limited in the things they can do. They don’t have to use a supermarket, but then again they don’t have to eat either – they can choose to starve themselves. The point is that supermarkets have a big influence on peoples daily lives and many are dependent upon them. The games that they play – I’m surprised you didn’t know. And yes, dismissal is fine, but in this particular case I would have warned the person that dismissal was next on the list. Everyone deserves a second chance, especially in a trivial case like this, apart from Caccia of course.
@Fred, err..what “games” would they be then??….Food retailing is one of the most regulated commercial sectors in the UK and any marketing strategy (what I suspect you call “games”) has to embrace such legislation. When I started my retail career in the early sixties there were almost no controls. It was either ‘pile it high, sell it cheap’, and if you don’t like it, tough, or turn to the rather more expensive alternatives.
When I retired from one of those “two largest companies” it was a different world, and all the better for it. I think your views are really cynical. NO responsible retailer in such a high profile market is going to allow itself to be scrutinised by the press (for example) resulting in negative commentary.
Of course, in supermarkets where probably 400 people are employed, being human, mistakes are sometimes made but, providing the business is focussed on providing the highest level of ‘atención al cliente’ such mistakes can be an opportunity to build loyalty.
Regarding the dismissal, which is what this string is about, yes, of course everyone deserves a second chance, but NOT in the same company….It’s not the value of the theft, it is the act of stealing which is the issue. Deliberate, premeditated, opportunistic, there is no difference.
Fred,
You always assume your own thoughts as being gospel. I was quoting how companies react to stealing whether it’s large and small.
In other circumstances a second chance is and can be given if it’s in a more personal nature.
Many years ago I received a phone call from the Chelsea Police Station around midnight. They had one of my young employee’s in nick. He had given himself up as he had stolen £400 pounds from the safe. When I went to collect him due to him having no transport and had blown all the money the sergeant asked if I wished to prosecute, I said no.
Never-the-less I did not sack him and back at his one room flat I told him next time if he helped himself to one penny he would be nicked and the £400 would be slowly deducted from his wages. Good as gold after that.
As for the alcoholics most are sob-our all the time and it’s only when they hit the bottle and the one I saw walked straight, didn’t stagger or sway and assumed he was an alcoholic due to his dress and helping himself to the gin.
A dear friend of mine who has since passed away and was a well known film, stage and T.V actor was an alcoholic although he had not touched the drop in 20 years. he would go through a bottle of gin before mid-day but he always classed himself as an alcoholic, saying if he had just a glass of wine it would most probably kick him off again. Always drunk soft drinks whenever we went out for a meal.
Fred, I only respond to other peoples remarks to which I personally do not agree, but you do tend to push your thoughts onto other people as though it’s gospel.
Just keep em’ coming, just love em’.
Caccia, spinning yet another story I see. Funny how you keep doing that just at the exact moment when you need to. Funny how your employee gave himself up when he got away with the theft. Your stories are fabrications. Go on, make something else up now to explain that fact away lol.
Brian, the supermarkets of the 60’s and the 90’s are totally different beasts; one cannot compare the operations of companies in such different time periods.
Brian,
It’s not worth the trouble in answering people like Fred, you would be wasting your time, they would not know the truth unless it bit those things between their legs.
Fred, I can verify everything that I have said to be truthful and quite willing to prove so, but are you equally as truthful and willing to match my offer by proving, as you say, that you have complied fully with 720 prior to your out-bust that it had nothing to do with Spain as to your assets outside of Spain, that’s if you are a resident, if not you must still be a resident in the UK and the same rules apply there also. As you well know, they are closing in and would not like to see your name, regardless of our banter and disagreements on the front page of EuroWeekly, SUR in English or OP. I’m always open to a second chance in life.
Could even give you the name and place of one of my shop’s where Ian the young lad stole from me backed up with other people’s comments regarding this issue. I don’t like being called a liar. Are you up to it. If not, just be careful in what you say regarding your negative and accusing answers.
Ian the young lad felt guilty in stealing proving that some people try to correct their wrong doing, but afraid some people don’t and I place you in the same category in those last few words.
@Fred…Yes,….after 40 years in food retail, I really feel wiser now with that gem of an observation….
Fred,
By the way Frederick, one of my other business was importing porcelain from Italy and appeared for five weeks on a British T.V program (if you recall) called Police Five. The premises had been broken into and when I had arrived the police were there waiting and indicated that the burglars must have been disturbed due to some boxes from the stock room were placed to the rear ready to be removed. Fingerprints were taken with no avail but unfortunately my main show piece together with other porcelain pieces had already been taken, value at the time for my main show piece was £5K. The transportation by air alone cost £200 for this one piece and all items had to pass import and export control.
V.A.T was exempt due to having an import licence.
To this day it has never been found and was in-fact a one off piece which needed two people to carry.
I suppose you will also reply that this is a lie or another made up story.
You must think we are all as thick as you. You say you had worked in two of the largest supermarkets as a contractor, what at, shelve stacking.
If it was a Marks and Sparks I had met and knew the owners and actually built their pool at their country home. Still have the drawings, think I mentioned this before on one of the other sites. Another lie I suppose.
“Fred, I can verify everything that I have said to be truthful and quite willing to prove”
Sure, after you. If you write any more crap you’ll have enough material for an autobiography lol.
@Brian, just go on Google and search for “supermarkets inflate prices” and read the hundreds of articles about various scams and cons that supermarkets employ. Did it really take you 40 years just to realise this? lol
Fred,
It just goes to show how much you know about the retail business.
The young employee we were discussing new he would get caught and that was the reason he gave himself up that very night, and do you know why.
Fred,
Don’t need to write an autobiography, i’m quite happy and contented in knowing what I had personally done and achieved in my lifetime. Are you, it appears not with all the unhappiness and faults you spill about. You appear to be one unhappy soul. Something must have happened in your life time.
Still waiting for a more positive reply to the two options I offered:-
“Fred, I can verify everything that I have said to be truthful and quite willing to prove”
Can you.
The young employee we were discussing new he would get caught and that was the reason he gave himself up that very night, and do you know why.
And do you know why?.
Fred,
I think you are getting confused with tight margin prices and promotion.
Have you not seen an advert in one of the bars.
PINT €4 EUROS, SECOND ONE FREE.
@ Fred….”Realise” what precisely?. This thread is about dismissal from employment as a result of theft, not your twisted notions of what marketing strategy in retail food is all about….And, if you rely on what Google gives access to, then you need to wise up.
“Fred, I can verify everything that I have said to be truthful and quite willing to prove”
Still waiting, Caccia. Go and spin some more stories.
@Brian, you must surely be the most naive person I’ve ever met on here, if not ever. The large supermarkets are world experts at customer manipulation. And it was you who first brought up the subject of food supermarkets, not me, so you were off-topic first. Google gives access to hundreds of respected publications and sources, please talk some sense.
Brian.
Now you can see the type of person Fred had turned out to be.
A person that has never been in the retail business, a person that knows nothing about marketing and a person that has no answers to anything but gives a twisted response to any sensible comment except guide people to Google.
Naturally there are facts that cannot be found on Google, try as you may, and although Google is a good source for gaining certain knowledge they only print second hand information deemed from others, which in some cases can be proven wrongly
I think someone on here is confusing Google with Wikipedia….
Fred,
Surely you don’t think i’m as STUPID as you by spilling information to every Tom, Dick or Harry on these sites. To send information to verify what I had said would require my email address, giving photo’s, letters, peoples emails and personal information which is against, not only my principles but the OP also.
Your STUPIDITY was announcing in writing on these sites about your tax evasion. Clever move. Don’t think a business minded person would be so stupid. Da.
But basically I couldn’t care less if you believe me or not. I know, people that know me and other’s through business contacts know I talk the truth and that’s all that matters to me.
But pray tell me, what you have achieved in life, not much I should imagine except being a moaner, a shelve filler and a tax evader.
Love ya jokes, keep send em’.
Stefanjo,
One can go onto Google, punch in the desired question and one of the sites that may invariably come up is Wikipedia.
@Fred…”Naivety”??….To have survived (and prospered) for 40 years in one of the most competitive industries in the UK & the US, working for two of the most demanding organisations in that industry is hardly indicative of anyone who is a tad green behind the ears.
And, (to return to the string) the act of dismissing from employment a proven thief is part and parcel of having the strength of character and experience to reject such mamby pamby nonsense as issuing ‘a warning’ to such people. In addition, think you will find that, in most contracts of employment, it will specifically state that theft from the employer or colleague or customer will result in dismissal. There is no value criteria.
Caccia, your stupidity was fabricating a bunch of stories that you said you could prove, and then made a classic U-turn when you realised you couldn’t. lol. You don’t even know the basic function of a search engine. You’d better the grandkids to teach you. And stop worrying about me tax affairs, the jealousy will only consume you Caccia.
Cacc. And?
Can anyone tell me what year in the 20th century was the smoking of cigarettes ban first impalement and why.
Now that’s a thought.
Sorry, forgot to mention, the smoking ban in the U.K
The thread now changes to smoking bans. Changing the subject again Caccia? Keep to subject. Your words lol.
Fred,
P.S
One of my businesses was called “Casa Capdimonte” in Surrey. Importing Porcelain from Italy.
Another two of my shops were called “Star Video” in Surrey. That was well before the American company called “Blockbusters” came onto the scene and who have now closed shop. That’s just two without the other block of six shops I owned that were rented out (sold the freehold of the shops to a Korean business woman during the time I had moved to Spain, and of course my building firm which was called “A.C Dama”. NHBC registered. I could go on and on about other businesses, almost forgot, how about another which was a Delicatessen in Surrey. To much for the simple mind of shelve filler i’m afraid and that’s the closest information you will get from me and I don’t lie.
As I have said previously, couldn’t care less if you believe it or not, but one thing i’m sure of, you were not honest when you filled in your tax returns.
Caccia, everyone is bored to death with your fabrications. I leave my tax affairs to tax advisors.
Btw, shelf fillers are people too – I would actually trust and respect them before you, any day. Still sleeping tight btw. See ya.
If you use multiple names say they are not you and get proved wrong should you get sacked for that? Sir Derek Roger has gone quiet, you are not called Brian now are you? I cannot take more names! !
Fred,
Well Frederick you did ask me to prove something and that’s the closest I can give you. If that is not sufficient you certainly need help.
Anyway, Michael Parkinson on one of his interview shows and talking about the American way of life happened to ask Douglas Fairbanks Jr what did he find the difference between an American worker and a British worker. Pausing a few seconds he replied. “Well, I find when an American worker see’s his boss drive in with a Cadillac he say’s to himself I must get one of those, but when a British worker see’s his boss dive in with a Rolls Royce he say’s to himself I paid for that”.
Get my drift old chap. About time you got yourself a life and stop wailing and moaning.
The reason I am writing to you so early in the morning is because i’m shortly taking my Granddaughter to the Airport and wasting some time, and I really mean it when I say “wasting my time”.
You can still send the jokes over cause I do have a laugh.
Caccia, I can’t help it if you keep making U-turns and breaking your promises. My life is great thanks, you must stop worrying about me.
Btw, get your grandaughter to teach you how to use a search engine. I hope she doesn’t grow up to be like you Caccia. And if you feel that your time is being wasted, just don’t post any more on here and then you can use that time elsewhere. Simples Da.
@ Reap…..There is only one “brian” registered on my email ID with the OP and that is me. And I certainly do NOT post under ANY other name…I would rather hope that if anyone is duplicating my name then the OP would filter it out…
In any case I refuse to enter into personal derogatory remarks, preferring to stick to the string subject which tends to validate my stated identity…Others would do well to do the same.
Brian,
I think Reap is getting confused with names that perhaps I had mentioned to Fred. Don’t think he knows that they are trading names. Da.
“preferring to stick to the string subject”
@brian, It’s “thread, not “string” :)
“Others would do well to do the same.”
Best tell Caccia about that then brian, last I heard the topic had changed to smoking bans lol.
Unfortunately lots of my replies regarding Fred have not been posted, seems democracy has gone out of the window.
Fred,
“Others would do well to do the same.”
I would imagine It was referring to most on these site’s including you.
“And if you feel that your time is being wasted, just don’t post any more on here and then you can use that time elsewhere. Simples Da”.
Reap: Tend to think “Brian” is telling the truth. He seems to have a grasp of basic grammar and spelling, unlike the other chap. Not sure he particularly likes being adopted as that persons buddy either…
That “string” thing is a bit dubious though.
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